Leadership isn't about big moments or formal process.

It's about having better conversations, more often.

This book shows why conversations aren’t just part of leadership. They are leadership.

Leadership isn't about big moments or formal process.

It's about having better conversations, more often.

This book shows why conversations aren’t just part of leadership. They are leadership.

Why we wrote this book?

We know from experience that leadership can feel fast, complex and overwhelming. We also know what it’s like to care deeply about doing a good job as a leader, to read the theory, invest time in learning, and still feel like something is missing. 

In our own leadership roles, that’s exactly where we found ourselves… and this is the book we wish we’d had at that time.

The impact we want this book to have...

We want to make leadership feel more human, more practical and more doable.

This book is here to give you more clarity, confidence and simple ways to have the conversations you might have been avoiding or overcomplicating, and to lead in a way that allows others to feel confident, clear and valued.

Whatever your role, if you depend on others to get stuff done, then this book is for you

Early praise for Beyond Small Talk...

Beyond Small Talk may just change the way we all lead and contribute at work.
Dr Gail Carson OBE
Researcher and practitioner, University of Oxford
This puts conversation where it belongs in leadership – front and centre. A simple, practical guide that’s immediately applicable.
Ian McDermott
International consultant, bestselling author, founder of International Teaching Seminars
If you want to lead in a way that grows people rather than manages them, this book is worth your time.
Dr. Alis Anagnostakis,
Vertical Development Institute, Founder

Early praise for Beyond Small Talk...

Beyond Small Talk may just change the way we all lead and contribute at work.

Dr Gail Carson OBE

Researcher and practitioner, University of Oxford

This puts conversation where
it belongs in leadership –
front and centre. A simple,
practical guide that’s
immediately applicable

Ian McDermott

International consultant, bestselling author, founder of International Teaching Seminars

If you want to lead in a way
that grows people rather
than manages them, this
book is worth your time

Ian McDermott

International consultant, bestselling author, founder of International Teaching Seminars

Is this you?

“I know I need to develop my team, but I don’t have time to figure out how.”

That’s why we offer Discovery Sessions—a short, structured conversation to help you get clarity on where you and your team need the most support.

No hard sell, just valuable insights and actions you can use immediately.